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Nicholas Fogelson is Movin On Up… To The Big Time – Announcing Northwest Endometriosis and Pelvic Surgery
Hello Friends and Colleagues –
As of Aug 1, 2018, I am excited to announce my new business and practice Northwest Endometriosis and Pelvic Surgery (NWEPS). NWEPS is a practice dedicated to providing world-class care to women with complex cases of endometriosis-related pain and infertility, as well as other complex benign gynecologic conditions.
The start of this new practice also marks and end to my relationship with Pearl Women’s Center, my previous practice.
So the big question is why the change?
Well a while back I wrote a popular article that talked about the finances of advanced endometriosis surgery. We talked about how some physicians were in-network and others were out-of-network. At that time, I was working in-network on my professional fees, but also had a relationship to an outpatient surgery center where I did most of my work, which allowed me to supplement what I could produce in my professional work.
Over time, I decided that this was not the model under which I wanted to practice. The biggest reason for this is that an increasing number of the cases I was performing were very complex endometriosis cases that should be done in a hospital rather than a surgical center. As I discussed before, complex endometriosis surgery pays very poorly in-network, so the reality of this was that I would generate far more income for my practice by doing a simple case in the outpatient surgery center rather than a complex case in the hospital, and in the end this didn’t really align with my desire to do complex advanced cases. In the end, the only thing we should care about is what is best for the patient, and when somebody is paying you more to do something one way or in one place than some other way or some other place, this is a unneeded distraction from making the best choice for every patient.
I also found that over the three years I have practiced in Oregon, we have had increasing difficulty getting insurance companies to pay on our claims, even at their reduced in-network rates, and irrespective of where surgeries were done. For example, I have had surgeries that took 6-8 hours of work that were properly coded with 6 or 7 individual procedure codes, where the insurance company refused to pay on more than a single code. As an in-network physician, there is little one can do about this because of contractual language with the insurance company, so even if one appeals the situation most likely the company just tells you no.
Furthermore, over time I have pushed my practice into areas that insurance companies do not recognize at all, such as neuropelveologic surgery, and as such I would have no hope of being paid for that work under insurance contracts.
As such, I decided to start a new practice that is laser-focused on endometriosis and complex pelvic surgery. Due to all the previously mentioned issues, this new practice is entirely out-of-network for insurance plans.
While there are a number of out-of-network endometriosis practices in the country, in one way we are different than the rest. As out-of-network claims are quite complicated, I have hired a law firm to do my billing – but not against my patients but rather for my patients. What I have found is that out-of-network billing appeals are extremely complex and a skilled healthcare attorney will be far more effective than a typical billing company, and also far more effective than a patient who does not have a deep knowledge of the insurance system. This service is provided at no cost to my patients. This both ensures that I am paid fairly for my work, but also that patients are able to get maximum benefit from their insurance plans and have the minimum in out of pocket expense for their care with my practice. In cases where my expertise can clearly be shown to unavailable within a patient’s insurance network (which is not uncommon), we often have success in getting out-of-network exceptions, which can dramatically reduce a patient’s out-of-pocket costs.
Academic OB/GYN as a blog will continue, though new posts will also be cross-posted to my new website http://www.nwendometriosis.com. Youtube Content will be moved to a new YouTube page as well. It doesn’t have a link yet but I will update this post when it does.
Thank you so much for your readership of the blog.
If you are interested in clinical consultation please call us at 503-715-1377. We offer free records reviews, as well as free support for out of network billing appeals as needed.
Sincerely,
Nicholas Fogelson, MD
Northwest Endometriosis and Pelvic Surgery
http://www.nwendometriosis.com
Why Double Coverage is a Scam
You have just gotten a job offer that includes health insurance. You’re lucky enough that your spouse has great family insurance already, but hey that health insurance is going to cover the cracks in the deductible and co-insurance, so you feel great about that double coverage as you sign your contract.
Well, you just got scammed. That is, double coverage is a scam, and you would have been far better off negotiating a higher salary in return for not getting insurance.
Here’s why:
Let’s say Policy A has a deductible of $1000 and 75% coinsurance up to an out of pocket max of $3000.
Policy B is identical, with a deductible of $1000 and 75% coinsurance up to an out of pocket max of $3000.
So you get $500 in healthcare. It costs you $500 because neither policy pays up to the first $500 (for simplicity let’s ignore the no-deductible services some policies offer)
Then you have a surgery that costs $5000. The first policy pays $4000 on this ($5000 minus the $500 deductible that was left, and then 75% of the remaining $2000 on your out of pocket max, plus everything over that). So that leave’s you with a $1000 bill. That bill gets submitted to your second policy, which also has a $1000 deductible. So you still have $500 to satisfy there, and so the second policy pays you $500, or if you’re unlucky in how they interpret the secondary coverage, $375. So policy 1 pays $4000, and policy 2 pays $375 to $500.
This has always seemed wrong to me. If you have two life insurance and you die, your family gets paid twice. But if you have two health insurance policies and you get sick, you only get paid once, or maybe once and a little more.
So if one policy is at more risk than the other, the employer that buys the second policy must pay less for the double coverage policy, right? No they don’t. They have to pay full freight for both policies. That’s where the scam is.
Double coverage is WAY LESS COVERAGE than the single coverage policy, but both policies are priced the same. This is a product of the fact that large employers are forced to make insurance offerings for their entire population even though that offering may be of substantially less value to some employers than others.
But there is a way to solve this. Just turn down insurance if you are offered double coverage. Then tell your prospective employer that by turning down insurance, you are saving them $8 grand a year and ask for $8000 more in salary, or more vacation, or whatever other concession you want. For them it costs the same, but for you its of dramatically greater value. When you get that value, squirrel a bit of it away for unpaid healthcare costs. If you’re lucky and don’t need it, you just have more money. If you do need the healthcare, you can get the value that would have been paid by the double coverage with a fraction of the money.
Dr. Fogelson is a gynecologic surgeon and endometriosis specialist who practices at Northwest Endometriosis and Pelvic Surgery in Portland, OR. Call 503-715-1377 for clinical consultation.
Obamacare: The Uncanny Valley of Healthcare
As a young person, I always believed that our country provided healthcare for the poor and indigent. When I became a medical resident, I found out that this wasn’t really true. There was a medicaid program, but the financial qualifications were so stringent that as far as I could tell the only people that actually qualified were the disabled, women who were pregnant (or 6 weeks postpartum), or single mothers of multiple children. Men of working age seemed left out no matter what, and women were left out if they were not pregnant or with young children. In many cases the uncovered had jobs, but made too much for Medicaid to cover them but far too little to afford commercial insurance.
In the same year, I had great insurance. In fact, I had a plan so good that as long as I stayed within the system where I was a resident, my medical care was 100% covered with no out of pocket expenses. And given that the medical school I worked for was a tertiary center, there was basically no medical care under the sun that I didn’t have access to for free. That seemed pretty just to me, since I worked 110 hours a week, and it seemed fine that in return the medical system I worked for would provide for me if I needed it.
At the same time, it seemed quite unjust that the vast majority of the very poor people I took care of had no insurance at all, even though they were quite poor. But that was the nature of Medicaid in the state I was in.
Basically this was true all over the country. Working people of reasonable incomes had insurance with small out of pocket expenses, with common deductibles of 300 or 500 dollars and out of pocket maximums of 1500-2000 dollars or less. The poor only got healthcare through emergency departments and public health clinics, or not at all. So good for some, and very bad for others.
Obamacare tried to change this. With Obamacare, for the first time if you were a poor person below the poverty line, you had 100% coverage of everything. And if you had up to 300% of the poverty line in income, you would get substantially subsidized healthcare. So that seems great on paper, as the poor were being taken care of. And indeed, this was a great justice for the poor.
The problem was how it would be paid for. The idea was that a tax would be levied on the most wealthy, which was an extension of the medicare tax that charged about 3% of income over 250,000 dollars. Because the rich don’t need their money!!! Well when you make 250,000 and you have huge medical school debt, a mortgage, and kids to put through college, let me tell you one doesn’t feel all that rich, but that’s another story.
But that’s not the issue. Let’s just assume that this approximately 3% tax on the rich was a just and good thing, and it would pay for the poor to get their care. Sounds great, and I could totally get behind that.
But in reality, it didn’t really work like that. In fact, what really happened is that in order to pay for healthcare for the poor, Obamacare levied a massive tax on the middle class. Now the Dems in congress will say “there was no tax on the middle class!!”, but in reality there was. Because in order for all the math to work on all the new policies, the healthcare afforded to the middle class and wealthy would have to change dramatically. Anyone that has a job today that had a job 10 years ago knows exactly what I am saying.
A decade ago most people had 500 dollar deductibles and 1500 dollar out of pocket maximums. These days most people have 2500 or 3000 dollar deductibles and 5-7,000 dollar out of pocket maximums. And on top of that, their employers pay more to buy these inferior policies than they had to pay to buy the better policies in the past. Some of this is because healthcare got more expensive, but a lot of it is just the mathematics of the markets created by Obamacare rules.
So when Trump says Obamacare is crumbling on itself, in a way he is right. Obamacare was wonderful for the poor, but it was absolutely terrible for the people who had decent healthcare before Obamacare.
And you might say “hey you have a job, you can afford to pay a higher deductible”. The reality is that in many cases that’s not true.
Recently I had a patient that needs a very important surgery. I asked her to pay the deductible and copay that her insurance company would require for me to do her surgery and she couldn’t. She has insurance, but really she can’t afford to use it. It may prevent her from going bankrupt if she has a major catastrophe, and it pays for routine care, but a major surgery is out of reach. The thing is that she will get her major surgery because I will do it and in the end I will be the one holding the bag when she can’t pay me what her insurance doesn’t pay after copays and deductibles. And in reality thats a substantial portion of what I’m owed. So in this type of case if its serious enough I’ll still do the work, but don’t I deserve to get paid for what I do? Sometimes this kind of thing turns into some kind of righteous battle that a doctor should work for the love of the job, but come on.. is there one place in society where people do services for free? Of course my staff expects to be paid even if my patient doesn’t pay me, as does the landlord for our office. Its an aside of course, but its a problem that has been created by the deductibles and out of pocket maximums in the Obamacare system.
So if the middle and upper classes really lost in Obamacare, who won? Well, as I said the first winner was the lower income class who went from uninsured to insured.
But the biggest winner from Obamacare is the hospitals. Because in the past, hospitals had to eat the cost of providing unfunded care to all the poor people who didn’t have medicaid. But now all these people are insured with very low deductibles. So when they come to the hospital, now the hospital gets paid. It does not go unnoticed that the publicly traded stocks of large hospital groups are up 400% or more in the last ten years.
So the poor won, the hospitals won, and really the rest of us got screwed. We pay for something that doesn’t benefit us at all, either though a tax on high earners or because our healthcare policies don’t provide us the benefits they used to.
And that is what makes Obamacare so hard to swallow for so many. If you are middle class or wealthy, you are paying a lot for this law. But unlike a socialized healthcare system, where at least you would get access to government funded healthcare in return for your outsized contribution to the system, you get nothing at all. And that doesn’t feel good. Its makes people angry.
Obamacare is the uncanny valley* of healthcare. It isn’t quite socialized medicine, and it isn’t quite capitalist medicine. And in that uncanny valley is a very uncomfortable experience for most of us.
So in 2017 Trump is basically trying to tear apart Obamacare. And the reality is that if he succeeds my health policy could get a lot better, as could the policies of a lot of middle class and wealthy people. But at the same time, the injustice that was non-coverage of the poor would return, which seems like something the country doesn’t want to return to (and probably shouldn’t.)
I think in the end we have seen what doesn’t work about totally capitalist healthcare, and we have seen what doesn’t work about some kind of zombie hybrid healthcare. To climb out of this, we are going to have to actually join the rest of the world and institute a real socialized healthcare system. It’s high time for it. The wealthy would complain at first but in the end I think the social justice that would be produced would be appreciated by all.
I think there is an opportunity to create a socialized system that is uniquely American. The Canadian system has its problems, and I think they come from the fact that there is no way to buy healthcare outside of the system. This promotes very long waits for healthcare, and lack of advancement in technology. I’d rather see a hybrid system where everyone is guaranteed access to basic healthcare, with an ability for people of more means to buy higher levels of care. Some people may call this unjust, but I think we better should think about which system is least unjust, rather than complaining that any idea is unjust and not moving forward at all.
One of the injustices of a pure socialized system is that there is very little incentive to become a true master of one’s craft. If there is no financial rewards to become one of the best doctors in the country, then there will be less incentive to actually achieve such levels of talent. Such systems tend to breed mediocrity and sameness across all providers. I think we see this in systems such as Kaiser, which provides decent care but also has trouble enticing the best physicians in the area to work for them. Most people who are part of Kaiser say they get decent care, but nobody raves about their doctor and most people feel like they are part of some kind of herd of patients.
I think an optimal system would be a hybrid system, where physicians could see patients on both the public system and the private system. A physicians who comes out of training accept 100% of their practice from the public system. They have no reputation and no particularly advanced skills, so there is no reason anyone would pay more to see them, which makes their 100% public practice make sense. As such a physician gets more senior and has greater reputation, they can start devoting a percentage of their practice to the private setting, where they would charge supplementary fees for higher service. This would allow a true market economy to continue to function. If a physician though they could hack it in the private world, the dollars would show them if they were right. If they increased their fees to 50% over public coverage and had business, then the market said they were worth it. If they increased to 200% of public and nobody wanted to see them, they shot too high. Over the years they could probably increase fees.
For someone like me, who is a national level expert in endometriosis care, I could probably charge significantly over public and have a brisk practice. But when I was just out of residency, I would have had to accept 100% of public as full payment. This is
What’s important about such a system is that the public system still needs to pay their full fee schedule to a doctor whether they are working in the public sector or private sector. So if a doc says “I’m worth 150% of public”, they still get 100% of fees from the public system and the patient has to pay the other 50%, either in cash or through private insurance policy.
I think it would even be reasonable to require all doctors to see at least 20% of their patients for 100% public fees. This way, all people would have access to all doctors, they just may have to wait longer to see a very senior expert physician than they would to see a less experienced doc. I think that medical schools that teach residents and students would likely accept 100% public funding for even the most advanced care, ensuring that there would be ready access to high level care for all.
Some people call the system I suggest unjust, and that it would provide a different level of care for the poor than for the rich. Well, yes. And that’s ok. It is a little unjust, but also it is just. I would call it reasonably unjust. And this is what we need to shoot for – some kind of balance between just and unjust. Because I think there is no system that will be just for all. Everybody should feel like its a little unjust – then we are probably in right place.
Obamacare overshot the mark. Pre-Obamacare was very unjust for the poor. Now we are probably unjust for the middle class and wealthy.
We have to find a happy medium. I hope we do it soon.
* the uncanny valley is a term coined by computer graphics experts, referring to computer generated copies of people that look a little too real to look like cartoons, but not real enough to be believable as people. The uncanny valley is very uncomfortable to look at. Obamacare is the uncanny valley of socialized healthcare.
One side of the valley (obviously a cartoon):
Comfortably real:
Deep, DEEP in the uncanny valley:
And the classic uncanny valley, The Polar Express. A kids movie that actually gave kids nightmares, and they had no idea why they hated it so much. Uncanny valley is why:
** A nerd’s second note: Avatar is actually only able to be across the valley because the Na’vi are not real. They look really really good, but since they are fictitious we don’t have a perfect reference for what they should look like so we accept them as real. In reality, there has yet to be a successful traverse of the uncanny valley for a human being. Some people think that Tarkin from Rogue One was across the valley:
But for me, I realized that he was fake immediately and I HATED IT. But apparently some people didn’t realize that this guy is fake. Perhaps for the people who really benefited from Obamacare, it feels to them like this is really Tarkin, and that Obamacare is a godsend. But in reality this is a CGI abomination and they really should have just gotten a different actor for Tarkin. And Obamacare needs be fixed. And don’t get me started on Leia.
Dr. Fogelson is a gynecologic surgeon and endometriosis specialist who practices at Northwest Endometriosis and Pelvic Surgery in Portland, OR. Call 503-715-1377 for clinical consultation.
Why Healthcare is So Expensive Part 5 – Pharma Gone Wild
A few days ago a patient of mine developed a cold sore on her lip and wanted a prescription for Zovirax, a medication she had used many times in the past. When she got to the pharmacy, I got the dreaded call that the medication needed a prior authorization. For Zovirax? So strange, since its a common med and is inexpensive.
Well I did a little research and found out that Zovirax was recently sold by its original manufacturer to Valeant, a drug company that is known for buying small drugs and jacking up the prices dramatically. It turns out that a small tube of Zovirax now costs $2500. For an ointment for cold sores.
What the heck is this all about? How is it possible that it is legal for a company to corner the market on a common and old drug and makes it extremely expensive? Unfortunately it is entirely legal.
Why American Healthcare is So Expensive Part 4 – HIPAA and Healthcare Regulation
It is said that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I didn’t know what that meant when I was younger, but one day in my second year of residency I found out.
We were told one that all our clinics would be cancelled on a friday the following week and we were would be required to go to a mandatory meeting to learn about new government regulations that would be impacting the wa
y e delivered care. We all thought this would be boring and didn’t like it, but nonetheless we all gathered together in the auditorium.
In that meeting we were taught about a new law coming down the pike called HIPAA. Basically, this law was being put into place to fix a few perceived problems in healthcare. Some of these issues made a lot of sense, like creating national identifiers for physicians so that different insurers could identify providers across multiple policies. It also created a national coding system for insurance claims, and that made some sense.
And then the real shit began. They explained the HIPAA Privacy Rule.
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Why American Healthcare is So Expensive Part 3 – The Insurance System
Today the GOP is deep in its discussions about how to take apart The Affordable Care Act and to replace it with some other kind of system to pay for healthcare. So far, everybody in the healthcare delivery system hates it, and it may go nowhere. But I will continue to argue this – whatever they are trying to do, it won’t work.
Why won’t it work?
Not because the system that are creating is the wrong system. Sure maybe it is wrong. But that’s not the real problem.
As we said before, THE PROBLEM ISN’T HOW WE PAY FOR HEALTHCARE. THE PROBLEM IS HOW MUCH HEALTHCARE COSTS IN THIS COUNTRY.
So why is healthcare so expensive in this country? Last time we talked about how there are incredible incentives to create and use expensive healthcare equipment, even when such equipment does nothing for patients. Today we’re going to talk about something else: The Insurance System.
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I think a lot of people don’t fully understand why we have health insurance. Let’s start with why we have insurance for anything at all.
Insurance is needed when there is a potential future expense that you may not be able to pay for, but that may never happen. Ie its very expensive to repair your car if you smash it, and there is also heavy liability involved in potential damage to another vehicle or people within it, so you insure that potential expense. The vast majority of people who buy auto insurance do not have to make a claim, so insurance is relatively inexpensive relative to the potential size of the claims. You do not insure buying groceries because a) it isn’t that expensive to buy groceries and 2) everybody needs to buy groceries so there is no grocery-buying risk to spread out between different insured entities.
So based on this idea, and the current costs of serious healthcare interventions, it makes sense to insure healthcare.
Why Healthcare in America is So Expensive Part 2 – Surgical Equipment
With this essay we embark on a journey through the world of medical cost. In my last essay, I argued that while our government struggles to create a system that pays for the healthcare system we have, the true problem is the outrageou
s cost of that system, not how we pay for it.
Today, we will examine the surgical equipment industry, and how expensive i
nnovation and technology is valued over actual contribution to patient outcomes, and how every incentive exists to make medical equipment as expensive as possible.
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A few years ago, I was involved in a project with a number of students from Georgia Tech’s biomedical engineering department. I had an idea to solve a basic problem in laparoscopic surgery, and these students were charged with c
reating a prototype solution to the idea. We came up with an elegant solution to an issue that occurred in every laparoscopic surgery in this country, and eventually the students presented this idea as their senior project for their degrees.
Subsequently, I approached my University’s Technology Transfer department (the group that helps faculty to commercialize their ideas.) We went through a process of idea disclosure with the hope that the University would help me to bring this idea to market. In the end, though, it fizzled. They said they weren’t interested in developing the idea. So I approached several industry groups. Again, no interest. Over time I talked with three different groups that develops ideas, and no one was interested.
The kicker of all of this is that the lack if industry interest had nothing to do with the utility of my invention. In fact, all parties agreed that the idea was great and the solution was elegant. They also agreed that they could imagine the device in practice. The problem wasn’t that the device wasn’t a good one, it was that the device was too simple, and too inexpensive to manufacture. I had imagined a device that would probably cost about 5 dollars in every surgical pack. In the end, the development market had little interest in such a device, given what it costs to develop bring a device to market and the likely payout at the end. This thing actually saved money in time and in replacement of more expensive equipment already in use in the OR. But what I found out was that there wasn’t much interest in devices that causes industry to make less money.
Healthcare Reform Has It Wrong: Why American Health Care is So Expensive Part 1
Having been a physician now for 16 years, I have had a first hand view at the variety of healthcare reforms and regulation put into place over that time. Most recently, the Affordable Care Act has been at the center of our attention, but it is by no means the only thing the government has done over that time.
Today, President Trump and the Republicans are working to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and possibly replace it with something else (Something Great if you listen to Trump.) I have mixed feelings about this. I think that the ACA did some good things, but also got some things wrong. At its fundamental core, by forcing all people to buy healthcare through a private insurer (albeit through a government funded network), it was trying to create universal coverage. Unfortunately, the ACA struggled to get healthy people who would pay more than they consumed to enter the system, thus creating a system where there were often more claims than premiums.
Three Problems, One Solution: A New Way to Pay for Medical Education
Case 1:
A middle aged man named called Joe decided in mid life that he would become a doctor. A former boxing instructor, Joe felt compelled to learn medicine to help his fellow man. Already in his 30s, he worked hard to develop the prerequisite education to enter medical school, which he did in the late 1990s.
I met Joe in my first year of medical school. He was a very bright guy and had a great sense of humor. He was a bit different than most of us, and not just in age. I remember him asking me once “why would we use anti-hypertensives to treat hypertension. I mean, if a person’s blood pressure is that high, maybe that’s what their body needs it to be at!”. I remember thinking it was a strange way to think, given that allopathic medicine pretty much presumes that letting the body do whatever it will may not actually be the best course for long term health.
Joe did reasonably well through the first two years of medical school. In his third year he had moderate success, and sometimes struggled with having a different outlook on what medicine should be that the attending physicians that were instructing him. Over time, this became a bigger problem, and Joe eventually made the decision that being an allopathic physician wasn’t what he wanted to do for the rest of his life.
On the Funding of Endometriosis Surgery
As many of my readers know, I spend a fair amount of time online. I love interacting with other docs that do what I do, and even more so, I love interacting with women that have the conditions that I treat. Even though I have left academics, I am a teacher at heart, and enjoy the opportunity to pass on what I have learned when I can.
One of the biggest questions I see is about how endometriosis care is paid for.
Unlike typical care, many endometriosis physicians are not under contract with insurers for care. This creates a whole different system for payment of medical care that is confusing to many patients – so let me explain it here. Read more…
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